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that now is part of my personality

The only way forward that is accepting that it is part of your personality and that's how you can work on it

Still, what you want to do will do literally nothing to help you. This changes nothing

i basically faked it till i maked it

4:21 PM

make it idk my english is bad

4:22 PM

so i was not like this normally even under syress

But you just said you were?

how you respond to stress is not a different part of you, its just a stress reaction

Yeah

I have panic attacks when i am stressed out, is the panic attack an alter ego?

I turn into a very ugly person when I'm hungry

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Mean, annoyed, screaming at people

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Stress turns me into a person that people don't recognise

People have different states of being that will change how their personality works depending on the place they are in at the time. Thats just human nature, you aren't consistent with the exact same set of traits at all times

Yeah, personalities just can be very complex and differ depending on circumstances, that's normal

You have some core traits about you but most traits will fluctuate

Rusty

I have panic attacks when i am stressed out, is the panic attack an alter ego?

i will explain better

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I creates a persona/alter ego that activated under stress

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created*

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but now it got so stuck in my personality that

Did you create it to have bad traits?

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Was it your choice?

yes i was dumb at that age

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so now i have bad traits that come out under stress but i hide it from others and try to act in a nice way

So you're aware sometimes you have traits you don't like. Why not just accept that and work on it?

You just have parts of yourself you'd like to work on, thats not something that requires tulpamancy

yes

another big thing to keep in mind is that if you keep reinforcing something in your mind your mind will bend to fit into that. If you keep calling this stress reaction another version of yourself you mind will bend to make you believe that is true

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For example if a person thought that when they were angry that was a different person and they kept saying to themselves the anger isnt them repeatedly their mind will work with that and create instrusive thoughts that seem like this fake anger 'personality' is seporate and speaking on its own. But in reality none of that is real and stopping the assoication between anger and this other "person" and just seeing it as an emotion that is normal and part of you will make all of that go away.

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this is why if you react properly you will never have an unwanted and distressing tulpa because you just change your mindset about it and it fades away. The brain works to 'please' you, its a self fulfilling prophecy

yes i get it thanks for helping me

4:50 PM

my english is bad sorry

Rusty

For example if a person thought that when they were angry that was a different person and they kept saying to themselves the anger isnt them repeatedly their mind will work with that and create instrusive thoughts that seem like this fake anger 'personality' is seporate and speaking on its own. But in reality none of that is real and stopping the assoication between anger and this other "person" and just seeing it as an emotion that is normal and part of you will make all of that go away.

its separate but...not sentient

4:52 PM

i could even use it to shut off my feelings in the past

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like i could be crying but them all of a sudden i would be calm confident and acting like...that personallty

i know it probably is unhealthy (edited)

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this is a repost

it's also stolen

4:55 PM

i didn't draw that

i've also seen it before

wow we have so much in common

At this point, I am not comfortable teaching you how to sensory switch. I'm concerned you'll develop an unhealthy mindset about it and scare yourself

@A long kiss goodnight - jump can you teach it to us?

Luminesce: Dangit, why did Ranger just make up terms (edited)

9:55 PM

There is just "switching", there are not types of switching like "hard" and "soft"

9:56 PM

Possession has types because people tend to progress from a tulpa "remote controlling" a body part, to full-body possession, to full-body possession that they're so immersed in it becomes similar to switching but with the host "still there to some extent" (edited)

9:57 PM

But switching is just

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The host becomes equivalent to a tulpa, except that they're the body/brain's "default" and so more easily associate with the switched-in position, until the system becomes very experienced with switching. The tulpa becomes equivalent to a host, except that they're not the body/brain's "default" and are likely to fall out of the switching position more easily (ie especially after sleeping), until the system becomes very experienced with switching.

It's not Ranger who made it up, those terms come from Verple's guide.

11:37 PM

~~And since when possession has types?~~ nvm that (edited)

Luminesce: I mean not officially, possession's possession, and people sometimes specify full-body possession (edited)

11:50 PM

But I have observed "types" that are almost like progression over time in systems who practice full-body possession constantly for years

11:51 PM

But if you want to keep it all simple under the single term "possession", awesome!

Reisen

But I have observed "types" that are almost like progression over time in systems who practice full-body possession constantly for years

Some people apparently think the same about switching. Although in my opinion those classification are mostly distraction for people who want to just learn it.

Luminesce: I wouldn't preferably think it myself at all, possession should just stay possession. But I've seen enough people describe their experiences that it's worth mentioning as a possibility, now (edited)

11:53 PM

Personally I think it's best to avoid that "advanced full-body possession" because it seems to make learning switching harder once you've started blending the two

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Our system has never practiced possession though, so I can't give tips on how it should work or not work from experience. (edited)

I think what makes it harder to switch for people is to think of it as of "advanced" possession. While it's just different thing and with right mindset it should be even easier than possession.

11:55 PM

In the end I find learning possession nothing but distraction though, tbh. It should be considered deprecated technique in my opinion.

Luminesce: Definitely, I personally consider that advanced (as in the progression of time) state of possession like a trap. Most systems I've seen describe their experiences of possession in such way have desired switching instead but struggled to ever do so, after practicing full-body possession for years (often staying fronting for days or weeks straight) (edited)

Both terms can be absolute minefields and lots of people all have their own definitions/groups based on their experiences. Best to just assume when the term is used that it means nothing and you have to get the speaker to clarify "what the heck are you talking about?" (edited)

Luminesce: I will note that some systems actually prefer that state of possession, though, where the host isn't truly gone. These days it's been popularized as/for "co-fronting" (edited)

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Co-fronting is a messy term I usually don't even touch, though.

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(The alternative, for switching, is that the tulpa now in the host's position needs to keep their host active just like a tulpa, and the switched state is not so easily shared, blended/melded or rapidly switched between in our experience, so theoretically getting used to possession might make "co-fronting" easier) (edited)

In general, we are getting wrapped up in made up classifications right now.

Luminesce: Personally, we've just gotten used to imposing whoever isn't switched in alongside us, with no need for changing who's actually controlling the body. (edited)

12:01 AM

Just trying not to be too restrictive, since the things I've talked about I've observed frequently in recent years

12:01 AM

But yes, keeping it to possession & switching is simplest and has the most documented experience/explanations

12:03 AM

Possession - A tulpa controls part or all of the body, while the host remains in the same state they were. Switching - A tulpa switches states with their host, resulting in the tulpa being equivalent to the state the host is normally in, and the host being equivalent to the state a tulpa is normally in.

to me when i do "switching" (edited)

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its nothing like going

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unconscious or something like that

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its more like becoming someone else

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my feelings my way of thinking and et cetera all will change

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but im still there, im just not me

Reisen

Luminesce: I will note that some systems actually prefer that state of possession, though, where the host isn't truly gone. These days it's been popularized as/for "co-fronting" (edited)

do you know about non possessive switching (edited)

its nothing like going unconscious or something like that its more like becoming someone else

Yeah, because your brain owns consciousness, not the identity (you) currently in charge of it

Adeus.

do you know about non possessive switching (edited)

I do not know what you just said

5:48 AM

Switching and possession are naturally unrelated though and many people practice only one and not the other

its a term not used in tulpamancy

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but if you guys doubt what a switching is

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you should try to look at other types of plurals (even throught they arent the same thing as tulpamancy) (edited)

5:49 AM

in non possessive switching you "become" the person who is switching

I feel in similar way. Switching (implicit places) is quite a confusing symbolics in my opinion.

i got a text from tumbrl ( many-but-one) (edited)

3:14 PM

this is a example from disordered plurals, it isnt tulpamancy but it can help define what a switching truly is

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"Possession style switches, from my understanding, generally means two alters will fully switch out. So if I am fronting and James decides to front, he will switch out and be in front. He will fully be in control of the body. I can be nearby, I can even see out too, but he will have full control. Non-possessive style switches are more like "becoming" an alter, from what I understand. It's a little less obvious and can be much more fluid than a possession style switch. Taking on qualities of an alter or intense passive influence are more common amongst DID/OSDD systems. This fully depends on the system and what was necessary for them growing up."

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(yes i know tulpas and alters are different)

3:17 PM

i dont think the losing consciousness type of switching is a illusion created by amnesia barriers (edited)

3:19 PM

some people with disordered plurality do switch that way of "becoming someone else" and have amnesia, but when they do the losing consciousness switching it feels different to them (from what i read) (edited)

Adeus.

i dont think the losing consciousness type of switching is a illusion created by amnesia barriers (edited)

(also because possession exists, if tulpas were only a identity in your brain, then how a "identity" could possess your arm or your leg while you're still there? it means the two are two separate mental processes, unless it can switch back and forth really fast)

Isn't possession just an association of control over one's body with tulpa's identity? In our point of view it looks like what is changing is a feeling about who is responsible for movement, nothing more really.

but lets say

3:34 PM

you are not in a full body possession

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lets say they are

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just possessing your hand

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could you move your hand while they are possessing it?

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if the answer is yes then its just a identity not a separate consciousness

3:36 PM

if the answer is no...then it gets confusing...

We could say that a tulpa consists of character and what's associated with them. Habits, triggers, etc. could be associated with a tulpa.